FRPP offers 00R Brembo for Focus = low buck upgrade for Mustang owners w/Cobra Brakes

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by pcrussell50

I went through the same debate when I bought the y2k CobraR kit back in the late 2000-early 2001'ish time period. I already had PBR's on 13" rotors and braided lines. I sucked it up and got whole the kit for $900, which in 2000 dollars is probably more than today's price. As for the redundant rotors? Well we're corner carvers. Rotors are consumables. The old directionally vented ones I had were consumed. The non-directional Brembos went on and were consumed, too. Now I'm on a second set. As for the lines? I sold the braided ss lines I had on the PBR's with the PBR's...

This is where I am at. Do I buy the Foci kit and try and save a hundred or two or just buy the 00R kit and be done with it. I can sell off my PBR calipers and braided lines that I don't need and get back the price difference just about, although it sounds like I might want to look at the lines and decide which set may be better. Then I have two new sets of rotors and depending on if I keep the old set of rotors I could have three. I am going to ask Steve for a quote on the 00R kit I think.

BTW, the calipers fit nicely under my 95 cobraR wheels. They are the real Ford wheels and are the 5.95" backspacing, [used to be R58's]. Can't vouch for the clearance of the knockoffs. These are with 96+ spindles. There are some sexy-ass carbon brake ducts out there that fit the brake/spindle combo as if it were OEM...Because they are OEM. Scott W. knows about them, or did.

I've got the factory '03 wheels so they should fit under them, at least rumor has it. And, I do have a set of the 00R carbon brake ducts sitting in a box waiting to go on.

Yes, exactly! Those are the ones. A couple of years ago, Scott was able to throw out a link to some pics. They aren't cheap, of course. I wish I was good enough to "deserve" them.

I can take pics of mine, but I have to say, the fantasy far outwieghs the reality.. At least to me. They are nice, but not as sexy when I had my hands on them. Depending on your context of what deserving them means, I don't know that I am good enough to deserve them either - I just have a really heavy car to contend with, so I want all the help I can get and got real lucky on finding them...

Hehe, Tob finds some pics before my slow ass was done...

[Hazman]

Originally Posted by tracksnake

I've got the factory '03 wheels so they should fit under them, at least rumor has it.

The factory '03 wheels clear the y2k Brembo kit just fine on my car!

[swhiteh3]

Originally Posted by Tob

Those are the ones. Note that the earlier pre-production ones were one piece units, eliminating the rivnuts and bolts, but requiring you to remove the hub in order to install it. Needless to say this was not acceptable to 2000 Cobra R production, since these parts were installed after the hubs were installed by DAP.

[Tob]

I had a message on my phone when I got home from physical therapy today from FRPP. Yes, the voice said, the Focus Brembo is identical to the '00R Brembo caliper from FRPP (aside from color).

Now lets see who has the best price.

[Brian Robertson]

Now lets see who has the best price.

More like, let's see how long it takes the marketing department to figure this out and raise the prices.

I got my 03 Bils on the cheap...

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by Tob

I had a message on my phone when I got home from physical therapy today from FRPP....

You're doing physical therapy with FRPP? Nice - what is that like?

(Had to throw that in there)

Now lets see who has the best price.

I ordered mine already... Hopefully they get charged before anything changes. I did figure out Hawk has two different pads listed based on thickness. Not sure which one it takes yet but I need to order a few sets anyway so if the ones that come with it don't fit then no big deal.

[Tob]

Anyone else notice how small the Brembo pads are in comparison to the PBR's?

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by Tob

Anyone else notice how small the Brembo pads are in comparison to the PBR's?

Yes - but it doesn't seem to affect them much if the 00R's made good use of them. I wondered about that before. To me it looks like they are a shorter in length but taller in height so I don't know what that does to it.... I think you use more face across the rotor from inside to outside with the Brembos. What is more important? Girth or length?

[GlennF]

Originally Posted by Tracksnake

What is more important? Girth or length?

I dunno, let me ask my girlfriend...

Dave,
I called Tousley Ford and talked to Steve today. He quoted me the same price so mine are ordered too. Thanks for the heads up on the cool deal!

[Jeff F]

If anyone needs wheels to go over those Brembos, Diversified has a smokin' deal on the 10th anniversary Cobra wheels. $99/ea.

[Tob]

Whoa. Where did that deal come from, Jeff? I've never seen it anywhere before.

Tob

[Jeff F]

Just stumbled on it today on their website. They also have 99 Cobra wheels (Forged, but won't fit over Brembo's) for $89.

[swhiteh3]

Those ARE nice wheels, but they're DAMN heavy.... Quite a bit heavier than the '95 Cobra R wheels...

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by GlennF

I called Tousley Ford and talked to Steve today. He quoted me the same price so mine are ordered too. Thanks for the heads up on the cool deal!

Good deal - not a problem. I also ordered a set of X2 balljoints in the Motorsport (sorry - FRPP) equivalent for $77.00. A lot cheaper than Steeda.

[Patrick Olsen]

Originally Posted by Jeff F

If anyone needs wheels to go over those Brembos, Diversified has a smokin' deal on the 10th anniversary Cobra wheels. $99/ea.

Now I'm curious. They list 3 different 10th Ann. wheels, the -A179, the -A179SP, and the -A179M. The -A179 has the charcoal finish, and is still $149. The -A179SP looks in the pictures to be identical to the -A179M, but the SP is $149 and the M is $99. They don't list any of the details for the SP, so I'm wondering what the difference is. FRPP's online wheel selector doesn't even show the SP.

Pat

[gdf04]

I purchased a pair of brake line from Goodridge (800)853-3599 for $114 plus shipping. I know way too much, however afterwards I found a guy @ Fluid Transfer Products, Michael Lang 317-892-4850 who can make a set of the Cobra R brake lines for $49.50. If you already have stainless steel brake lines with the Cobra caliper (PBR) they should work with the correct banjo bolts. Comparing the Goodridge lines & Russell lines I had on my cobra caliper they looked the same.

You can’t say enough about getting a good set of pads design for the application that you plan the use the car for. That is why I purchased two different types of pads one for street & one for track.

Pictures show the calipers on brembo 13” rotors on a 2004 Cobra. The fit was perfect.

I believe the number in that picture is the brembo part no.

The brembo pads may look smaller, however the have more surface area then the PBR pads 8.2 sq in vs. 8.77 sq in for the brembo pads. The brembo pads are wider as seen in the pictures. The ware line is the PBR’s see how the brembo pads over lap past that ware line.

[Jon A]

Originally Posted by tracksnake

To me it looks like they are a shorter in length but taller in height so I don't know what that does to it.... I think you use more face across the rotor from inside to outside with the Brembos. What is more important? Girth or length?

You nailed it with "use more face." It increases the swept area allowing the rotor absorb more heat to get up to a given temp and increases its cooling efficiency. Of course everything is relative--those are pretty small pads/calipers as Brembos go.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by gdf04

If you already have stainless steel brake lines with the Cobra caliper (PBR) they should work with the correct banjo bolts.

Do you know if they are the fine thread banjo bolts - I think 10mm x 1.0? I have the coarse thread bolts and ordered a set of fine thread bolts from dicbrakesrus because that is what I figure they are.

[Tob]

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/pr...roducts_id=263
Wow. I paid $150 each for four of these from Diversified about four years ago, thinking the price was going to go up. They have sat quietly in the basement in their respective boxes since they arrived. I'm dyin' heah...

I am going to snag a set of those rims Jeff as I simply can't be wrong twice about wheels and Diversified. Can I?

[wish]

Originally Posted by Patrick Olsen

Now I'm curious. They list 3 different 10th Ann. wheels, the -A179, the -A179SP, and the -A179M. The -A179 has the charcoal finish, and is still $149. The -A179SP looks in the pictures to be identical to the -A179M, but the SP is $149 and the M is $99. They don't list any of the details for the SP, so I'm wondering what the difference is. FRPP's online wheel selector doesn't even show the SP.

Pat

Pat,

Looking at them, I wonder if SP is "Silver Paint" and M is "Machined" ? Just a guess, but they do look to have slightly different textures in the pictures ....

Man now I gotta get rid of my 17x8s ... told myself when they got to 125 or so I'd have to get a set ...

[95PL]

Originally Posted by Jeff F

Just stumbled on it today on their website. They also have 99 Cobra wheels (Forged, but won't fit over Brembo's) for $89.

It's unfortunate that a 9" version is not offered. In my opinion it's the best looking wheel Ford has done since the 95 R. It's a simple design, clean and it's light.

[JohnK]

I'm glad this thread came up.

I just orderd the M-2300-B calipers and pads from my local Ford dealer for $680. Not as smoking a price as the $605 price previously posted but still a smoking price versus the 00R kits out there. I won't get them until next week but it almost evens out if you account for shipping charges.

I'm already running 03 Cobra wheels so i don't expect any clearence issues. Thanks for posting this one up. Now I need to buy some new SS lines and get all this installed next weekend before my first track event of the season.

Does anyone know if the fitting to the Brembo calipers is unique in any way or would require non-standard SS lines?

Thanks,

John
Novi'd 99 Cobra

[Darius Rudis]

I had the M2300K brakes with Russel SS lines.
Put on the Brembo 2000R calipers, and used the same SS lines.

Brembo Calipers did NOT clear the 2003 Cobra Terminator wheels. ;(






[spam]
2003 Cobra Terminator wheels with Hoosier 275-40-17 tires (50%) for sale:
http://www.dariusrudis.com/allwebco/For_Sale.htm


OOPSOOPS. My mislead... The wheels didnt fit the REAR wheelwell, not the front calipers. They Brembo's didnt fit the ARE wheels!!!

[JohnK]

Consider my bubble burst.... Crap. That's not good. More research to do.

John

On edit: Bubble re-inflated.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by Darius Rudis

Brembo Calipers did NOT clear the 2003 Cobra Terminator wheels. ;(

What rotors are those? I have seen the Brembo calipers on a car with the Terminator wheels, using the factory style rotors.. Granted, I'm not sure exactly how much clearance there was, but I've seen it done. So now I want to know what gives:

http://www.tta89.net/cars/2003%20SVT...large/0010.jpg

[goduke]

Is that a zinc coated spacer? Or just the zinc coated rotor on the white 03?

[95PL]

It's a two piece rotor.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by goduke

Is that a zinc coated spacer? Or just the zinc coated rotor on the white 03?

I believe just the zinc coated rotor as comes in the 00R kit. Maybe Mike (TTA89) can chime in here and give us a heads up.

Originally Posted by 95PL

It's a two piece rotor.

I can't tell diameter - it could be 13" but wondered if it was 14" which would explain some of the discrepancies in the fitment.

[95PL]

Originally Posted by tracksnake

I can't tell diameter - it could be 13" but wondered if it was 14" which would explain some of the discrepancies in the fitment.

Why don't you check out his web site.

Darius runs 17" rims last time I checked. So no go on the 14" rotors.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by 95PL

Why don't you check out his web site.

Darius runs 17" rims last time I checked. So no go on the 14" rotors.

I was just out looking at it... He has the 17" wheels listed, looks like maybe the A.R.E.'s...

[Tob]

I just got off the phone with Belinda at Diversified. I ordered 5 of the A179M wheels as I had a feeling they might be discontinued from FRPP. They are, according to Belinda (hence ordering an extra in case of curb rash) along with some others. Apparently they are a losing proposition for her as they purchased some quantity of them and are not even getting what they paid for them. She informed me she had quite a few calls on them today so if you are considering a set you better get on the phone!

We had a brief discussion regarding the Focus Brembo calipers, part# M-2300-B, their fitment, and I asked if she could quote me a price that I could display. Drumroll please....$599.00! She stated that if you try to order them through their website that when cashing out you'd need to check a box that says 'other' and fill in a link to this thread and note as per Belinda (as it is not listed there). It might be easier to just call her.

She said nice things about you Scott and that you do quite a bit of business with her company. I guess you are ok afterall Scott as I trust her quite a bit.
I'd have ordered the calipers today as well but the wheel purchase means I have to wait a few weeks. But the rest of you guys should get on the horn and order yours before FRPP ruins a good thing!

Tob

[swhiteh3]

Does anyone have any weight data on these? I thought that these wheels were like 4-5# heavier, per wheel, than the 95R wheels.

At 6.12" backspacing, they are halfway between an M179 (6.42" BS) and the R58 (5.98" BS). Not a bad compromise if you're working with a Fox body.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by swhiteh3

Does anyone have any weight data on these? I thought that these wheels were like 4-5# heavier, per wheel, than the 95R wheels.

Tirerack lists them at 23.8lbs, if that is accurate.

[swhiteh3]

Do you have to make up a make/model to get that info? I found the Ford Racing wheels, and all it would give me were pics - no prices, no weights, and no 95 Cobra R wheels at all....

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by swhiteh3

Do you have to make up a make/model to get that info? I found the Ford Racing wheels, and all it would give me were pics - no prices, no weights, and no 95 Cobra R wheels at all....

That is what I did - chose '03 Cobra, then it lists wheels they think will fit it, then scrolled through until I found whatever wheels I wanted to find the weight on. Then click what size you want and it should show on the left side. Some wheels it doesn't have the weights listed though.

[Tob]

They do look good on a fox, hopefully even more so w/o the charcoal.


http://corner-carvers.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=11

According to www.fordracing.com, the R50 and R58 Cobra R wheels are 25# each, and the Anniversary wheels are 26# each.

From this thread.

[Tom Spangler]

Originally Posted by Tob

They do look good on a fox, hopefully even more so w/o the charcoal.

I actually like the charcoal ones. I think they'd look good on my gray car. Better than the tri-bars, at least:

It's probably a good thing those aren't on sale, though. My credit card doesn't need any more abuse.

[swhiteh3]

Yeah, they really are a great looking wheel. I think they look best in the Charcoal, but even in the lighter color they're pretty damn nice. Until I can confirm weight though, I'm hands-off.

[tracksnake]

Damn you guys - I just had to go out and buy a set... That's okay, I needed a set of dedicated track wheels anyway. And next week, they'll be on sale for $79.00....

I noticed they have them listed on ebay for $399 plus $80 shipping.

[95PL]

So, do we have confirmation that the A179 wheel fit the Brembo caliper?

Never mind, found my answer.