FRPP offers 00R Brembo for Focus = low buck upgrade for Mustang owners w/Cobra Brakes

[gdf04]

You have to supply your own lines & banjo bolts.
I posted this earlier in the thread on page 2.

"I purchased a pair of brake line from Goodridge (800)853-3599 for $114 plus shipping. I know way too much, however afterwards I found a guy @ Fluid Transfer Products, Michael Lang 317-892-4850 who can make a set of the Cobra R brake lines for $49.50. If you already have stainless steel brake lines with the Cobra caliper (PBR) they should work with the correct banjo bolts. Comparing the Goodridge lines & Russell lines I had on my cobra caliper they looked the same."

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by gdf04

You have to supply your own lines & banjo bolts.
I posted this earlier in the thread on page 2.

Doh... My bad. I forgot about that - probably what made me order the banjo bolts in the first place.

[johnny-longtorso]

Sorry if I'm asking a potentially stupid question - but is it adequate to merely upgrade the caliper (and lines in my case) on the stock rotor or or should I just consider getting the entire 00R kit? Is there an equivalent rotor that everyone uses?
TIA
Don
(my car is an 01 Bullitt)

EDIT - holy cow - I've been lurking here an entire year and this is my first post.....

[mfennell]

Originally Posted by swhiteh3

The outer caliper half is the same. The inner caliper half, with the mounting, is different. (Source: Second hand info from a Brembo engineer...)

Ah, that makes perfect sense. Darn.

[jfranci3]

Originally Posted by gdf04

You have to supply your own lines & banjo bolts.
I posted this earlier in the thread on page 2.

"I purchased a pair of brake line from Goodridge (800)853-3599 for $114 plus shipping. I know way too much, however afterwards I found a guy @ Fluid Transfer Products, Michael Lang 317-892-4850 who can make a set of the Cobra R brake lines for $49.50. If you already have stainless steel brake lines with the Cobra caliper (PBR) they should work with the correct banjo bolts. Comparing the Goodridge lines & Russell lines I had on my cobra caliper they looked the same."

Be careful when you say that. Not all mustang PBR calipers are equal. 03 and 04 cobra calipers have a different thread pitch (see MM's brake line page).

[95PL]

Originally Posted by johnny-longtorso

Sorry if I'm asking a potentially stupid question - but is it adequate to merely upgrade the caliper (and lines in my case) on the stock rotor or or should I just consider getting the entire 00R kit? Is there an equivalent rotor that everyone uses?
TIA
Don
(my car is an 01 Bullitt)

EDIT - holy cow - I've been lurking here an entire year and this is my first post.....

The rotors in the 00R kit are the same as yours. Thus the reason for all this interest in the RS caliper. You can buy your own rotors and not get stuck with a set of rotors you have to sell. Plus the, 00R kit is expensive.

I ordered these calipers also. I just hope they work with my Stop-Tech lines. I'd hate to spend another ~75 on lines.

[Tob]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have ordered the kit from Diversified? This includes those of you that haven't said a peep so far..

[Wangstang]

Originally Posted by Tob

Out of curiosity, how many of you have ordered the kit from Diversified? This includes those of you that haven't said a peep so far..

Tob,
If you are working out a kick back, how abourt at least PM'ing me your name so I can drop it when I go to order from Diversified. I did start the thread.

Wes

[Tob]

Wes, I think Belinda mentioned that she'll make all of $2 at the price posted. I'm thankful, not greedy. I'm interested to see how many actually jump on it, what application they'll use it for, how the installs went, etc. I'm also wondering when/if this part goes into backorder status, as I'm not sure the sales forecast for this item included a crossover from a much larger market than was expected. That's all.

Tob

[95PL]

Originally Posted by Tob

Out of curiosity, how many of you have ordered the kit from Diversified? This includes those of you that haven't said a peep so far..

Tousley Ford here. This way I don't pay the damn sales tax.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by 95PL

Tousley Ford here. This way I don't pay the damn sales tax.

Same here... Steve did a lot of leg work for me on an assload of Ford parts that I was ordering at the same time so I gave the business to him...

[Tob]

So the Anniversary wheels were delivered today. Cut the tape, folded the sides over, and it says "Lightning Wheel" right there on the box. WTF? Wouldn't you know it - I order some wheels and get the wrong ones. So I fought about ten minutes trying to get the actual wheel box out of the shipping box they came in (nice packaging BTW), only to find what the wheels in the box are... You guessed it. Anniversary... You don't wanna know what a scare I got until I actually seen the side and opened the damn box.

You saw the same thing as I did and felt the same way...

Which means you also opened the box upside down.

Nice looking wheels. I'm impressed. And maybe the Brembos being close to the same color won't stand out too much behind them either.

They are gorgeous and I completely agree about the color matching the caliper.

[GlennF]

Yeah, I ordered from Tousley Ford as well, but it was before Tob let us know that Diversified was selling them for a couple of bucks less. No big deal though, so long as I get them.

I went ahead and bought new front hubs, ARP long wheel studs and the Need for Speed brake duct kit too. Between those parts and the True Trak differential, all new rear end bearings, Moser axles and studs I should have plenty to keep me out of trouble next week when I am on spring break.

I want to have plenty of brakes when I hit Sebring next month.

[Tob]

For the record Glenn, which ARP studs did you order?

[johnny-longtorso]

Originally Posted by Tob

I'm interested to see how many actually jump on it, what application they'll use it for, how the installs went, etc.

I bought them from Tousley as Steve has assisted me a lot in the past and because I had no idea that Diversified was actually BuyFordRacing.com. They're going on my daily driver which is having a forged 4.6 built with a single 66mm turbo (Hellion).

[DaveB]

Originally Posted by Tob

Wes, I think Belinda mentioned that she'll make all of $2 at the price posted. I'm thankful, not greedy. I'm interested to see how many actually jump on it, what application they'll use it for, how the installs went, etc. I'm also wondering when/if this part goes into backorder status, as I'm not sure the sales forecast for this item included a crossover from a much larger market than was expected. That's all.

Tob

I already had the '00R Kit, or I would have bought them. I did buy 5 of the wheels, like you Tob, and a few other things I didn't need...

[lashss]

I called Belinda on Tuesday afternoon and she did inform me that the kit was backordered until mid April. She did also confirm that she got a lot of calls from Mustang owners...

I ended up ordering from Plaza Ford in Bel Air, MD for $610.

LS

[GlennF]

Originally Posted by Tob

For the record Glenn, which ARP studs did you order?

I don't recall the part number, but the fronts are a .585" knurl and the rears are a .620" knurl. I picked up all 20 studs including shipping from someone on "The Corral" for less than just new front studs alone.

I find it interesting that the ARP website does not list the front studs for a Ford Mustang, nor does Summit carry them either. It seems that Max Motorsports is about the only source I've found. Rather strange wouldn't you say?

[Bob Kaser]

I ordered mine from Diversified on Monday, they were here last night. $615 total.

[goduke]

Originally Posted by GlennF

Rather strange wouldn't you say?

Steeda says to drill out the front holes with a 39/64" bit for use with their(ARP) rear studs

[GlennF]

Originally Posted by goduke

Steeda says to drill out the front holes with a 39/64" bit for use with their(ARP) rear studs

That would be for a .620" knurl, the MM ARP studs are a .585" knurl that requires no drilling. Then again the MM studs go for $8 each too.

[95PL]

Originally Posted by lashss

I called Belinda on Tuesday afternoon and she did inform me that the kit was backordered until mid April.

April 16th to be exact.

[goduke]

Originally Posted by 95PL

April 16th to be exact.

Dont hold your breath on that date. Knowing FRPP she has as good of a chance getting them on April 1st or May 1st as she does on getting them April 16th.

[SCCA Cobra]

Originally Posted by GlennF

That would be for a .620" knurl, the MM ARP studs are a .585" knurl that requires no drilling. Then again the MM studs go for $8 each too.

Glenn, the reasoning behind it is so that you only have to buy/carry one size stud, vs two. That's why I did it as well.

[GlennF]

Originally Posted by gdf04

Here is a picture of the two different banjo bolts. The one on the left is the Cobra calipers, which has a length of 41mm or 30mm minus the nut head & the one on the right is the Cobra R brembo calipers, which has a length of 29mm or 25mm minus the nut head. The brembo caliper requires a fine thread & the other is a coarse thread.

Would you know if that's a 10mm x 1.25 or a 10mm x 1.50 pitch banjo bolt? I think I have some banjos from my GT that might be fine thread, but I'm not sure what the pitch was.

[tracksnake]

Originally Posted by GlennF

Would you know if that's a 10mm x 1.25 or a 10mm x 1.50 pitch banjo bolt? I think I have some banjos from my GT that might be fine thread, but I'm not sure what the pitch was.

The coarse thread is 10mm x 1.5, the fine thread is 10mm x 1.0. The ones from the GT may be the correct pieces (10mm x 1.0) - there was some screwy things going on with them around '03 or thereabouts when they switched over to the coarse thread. If you go to the brake lines on MM's site they have a breakdown of what year should have had what banjo bolt.

[JohnK]

Question: What other cars do the Brembo's cross reference to when trying to buy pads?

I was trying to pick up for PF97's or other similar pads from the local auto stores but no one lists a 2000 Cobra R as a brake pad option. From previous searches, the Ferrari F40 and F50 suppesedly have the same caliper/pad but I couldn't confirm this as none of the auto parts stores list Ferrari as a pad option. Heck, the local teenage Auto Zone clerk had never heard of a Ferrari.

Originally Posted by gdf04

You have to supply your own lines & banjo bolts.
I posted this earlier in the thread on page 2.

"I purchased a pair of brake line from Goodridge (800)853-3599 for $114 plus shipping. I know way too much, however afterwards I found a guy @ Fluid Transfer Products, Michael Lang 317-892-4850 who can make a set of the Cobra R brake lines for $49.50. If you already have stainless steel brake lines with the Cobra caliper (PBR) they should work with the correct banjo bolts. Comparing the Goodridge lines & Russell lines I had on my cobra caliper they looked the same."

Thanks for the advice on Fluid Transfer Products. Michael custom made the lines for me, with the correct Banjo bolts (10mm x 1.0) and all new crush washers for $55.00. I had the lines next day to boot and the quality is outstanding. No instructions came with the lines but Maximum Motorsports website saved the day (link opens a .pdf file).

Now, what should have been a 3 hour job is going on two days. I had a caliper bolt shear off and a brake line flare nut strip. None of the auto parts stores have the parts in stock so I'm SOL till Ford opens on Monday.

Gdf04 is correct, you have to toss the Focus pads that come with the kit. They will not work on a Cobra rotor. They are about 1 cm too tall for the rotor hence the question.

Thanks,

John

[Tob]

Gdf04 is correct, you have to toss the Focus pads that come with the kit. They will not work on a Cobra rotor. They are about 1 cm too tall for the rotor hence the question.

But doesn't the Focus kit utilize a Cobra rotor blank? I guess the caliper in that kit is placed further away from the rotor center?

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by Tob

But doesn't the Focus kit utilize a Cobra rotor blank? I guess the caliper in that kit is placed further away from the rotor center?

Good question. Here's how the pads cover the stock Cobra rotor:



You can see the Focus pads extend down to the unswept area of the rotor right down to the hub.

Better shot:


I installed them temporarily to bleed the calipers since I had help. Still waiting on the right pads to install before the wheels go on.

John

[clair]

Would that still be an issue on a new (or turned) rotor?

Clair

[Jeff F]

Originally Posted by John Khoury

You can see the Focus pads extend down to the unswept area of the rotor right down to the hub...I installed them temporarily to bleed the calipers since I had help. Still waiting on the right pads to install before the wheels go on.

Well, you're in for a surprise when you open the box of "right" pads... because they will look exactly the same. The Brembo setup has a larger swept area than the PBR, and uses up all of the available surface.

[Rara]

Originally Posted by Jeff F

Well, you're in for a surprise when you open the box of "right" pads... because they will look exactly the same. The Brembo setup has a larger swept area than the PBR, and uses up all of the available surface.

yup, what Jeff said. This is the reason why the older style 94-98 original rotors (the directional ones, sourced from Hayes) won't work w/ the Brembo calipers, because they don't have the additional surface area available.

[JohnK]

Wunderbar and thanks Jeff/Brian. I hate being a newbie at these things. New rotors on the way...

On Edit: Should have done a better job re(searching). Most of this was previously covered in an oldie but goodie of a great thread.

I still hate being a newbie at anything though. Ah well, the Soprano's is on.


John

[95PL]

Originally Posted by tracksnake

Doh... My bad. I forgot about that - probably what made me order the banjo bolts in the first place.

Where?

I just got back from the Ford dealer and the bolts they have for a "2000 Cobra" (nothing for a R is listed) are listed as part number W706548 and they don't look anywhere near what was posted earlier in the thread. They come in a package of 4 bolts. Why 4?

[King Matt]

Originally Posted by 95PL

They come in a package of 4 bolts. Why 4?

A few years ago I owned a POS Chevy S-10 and I needed to replace one of the bolts that retains the tailgate cable and also serves as the stud part of the tailgate latch. Each truck has two of these bolts, but the only way I could order a replacement was to purchase a package of 5 from the dealer. And since it was a special order item, I had to buy all 5 in the package to get the one I needed. That may be your answer.

[gdf04]

95PL, I posted the name of a guy @ Fluid Transfer Products, Michael Lang 317-892-4850 who can make lines for you or I am sure he could get you some banjo bolts & washers too.

[gdf04]

Neither the dealers nor the auto stores have hardly anything for the Cobra R any more. Call or go to raceshopper (dot) com, they can get the PF or the hawk pads for the Cobra R calipers. I ask for pads, for the Cobra R calipers & they work fine both the street & track pads I purchased.

[Wangstang]

Originally Posted by 95PL

Where?

I just got back from the Ford dealer and the bolts they have for a "2000 Cobra" (nothing for a R is listed) are listed as part number W706548 and they don't look anywhere near what was posted earlier in the thread. They come in a package of 4 bolts. Why 4?

Are they selling you the banjo bolts or the caliper to spindle bolts? I got my banjos for my PBR's from discbrakesrus in two days for about 20.00 with washers. I also picked up some new washers from ford and used the ford units as they are slightly thicker.

My ford parts counter guy ended up having to call to Detroit to get just the bolts as ford has them listed as only being available with the soft lines in a package deal. Ford wanted $17.00 a piece at dealership cost for just the bolts.

From what I understand the pre 03-04 cobras use the fine thread and this is the same bolt that the Brembo's would use. Someone with the brembo's will have to verify.

Wes

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by Wangstang

From what I understand the pre 03-04 cobras use the fine thread and this is the same bolt that the Brembo's would use. Someone with the brembo's will have to verify.

Wes

Correct. There was a mid-year change on the 03 Cobra's forward that switched to course thread, M10 x 1.5 banjo bolts. My stock 99 banjo has the fine M10 x 1.0 pitch thread that screws into the Brembo Calipers fine except for their length.

The pic in gdf04's post shows the overall difference in length between the stock and aftermarket banjo's. The stock banjo pictured on the left is the incorrect M10 x 1.5 pitch thread as gdf04 pointed out. My stock banjo is the same length as shown on the left but with fine pitch thread.

Maximum Motorsports website covers the detail in the brake hose section and their .pdf install instructions for the brake hoses install (link further up in this thread) discuss's why you want to go to the shorter length banjo in addition to the finer thread pitch.

John

[gcassidy]

Originally Posted by John Khoury

Correct. There was a mid-year change on the 03 Cobra's forward that switched to course thread, M10 x 1.5 banjo bolts.

Anyone know the reason why? Besides sourcing different bolts, they have to have PBR produce different calipers. Unless it was dictated by changes at PBR in mid-production.